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I think one of the biggest things that I ended up learning and imparting on people is that I think we're all shy and we're not all the most secure all the time. The best thing to do when you're trying to meet somebody is to really get yourself out there and know that you're not alone.

So that's why I had to do a reality show. But it was not a game show. LL : I made sure the producers and I knew that, that this was not a game show, it's not like somebody's going to win a prize, and I might not meet anybody.

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I did not end up meeting my husband on the show, but I ended up meeting my husband a few years later. LL : It's sort of a conglomeration of everything, really. He had put together a TV show pitch for The Food Network and was looking for a host, so we got set up on a meeting to talk about it because I might be an interesting host for him and that's how we met. That non-date turned into another non-date, which turned into dates and eventually, we got married. MR : What's particularly nice about that story is that a lot of people in your situation of not having dated a lot can have great happily ever afters too.

LL : Yeah, well thank you. I think there are a lot of people who are and were in that situation, which is that I was in my thirties and I work all the time and I was looking for somebody who was the right person and also I think a lot of people, especially women and women who want to have kids, are pressured into a situation where they are willing to settle for somebody just because they want to have kids or because they're "supposed to" be married.

I think it's important to definitely keep your eyes open and maybe the person you're looking for might not be exactly what you expected, but you should definitely have feelings for the other person and be excited to have a life with them and not just settle because they look good on paper or because it's "that time" that you have to get married.

I think that's a dangerous thing to do in your life.

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At the same time, I also think that people who work that much have to start focusing on your personal life, because sometimes people who focus on their work life don't leave space and all of a sudden, all the time is gone. Especially if they want to have kids, they need to focus on that personal life piece as well because of, you know, the biology of people. You can't have kids forever, unfortunately. LL : Yes, that's a perfect segue to family and touring, two things that don't really necessarily fit together.

That's the big question mark in the sky. I'm going to be touring in the United States definitely in March.

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I'm sort of feeling out how much touring I can do. I'll be in a lot of major cities and spending as much time as I can at home with my family but then sneaking away here and there to make sure I can get out there and play concerts, and along the way, I'll probably be doing some live online concerts, which aren't exactly the same as live concerts, but it's something cool to be able to do. LL : It is. I think it's so important to be in person with people, but there are a few ideas I have up my sleeve as well about how to get out there that might work better with having a family that does not involve bringing my entire family with me everywhere because I don't think that's necessarily convenient either or great for the kids, I think it's better for them to be in their routine.

But yeah, I'm exploring different ways to get out there and play music for people live.

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MR : Now, my traditional question. Lisa Loeb, what advice do you have for new artists? LL : For new artists? It depends on where they are in their career. If they really are new and just starting out, my biggest advice is twofold; one is focus on the creative side and the performance side and make sure you can do what you want to do.

If you want to be a singer, sing a lot and learn about singing and learn how to take care of your voice. If you're a songwriter, write a lot of songs and find people who can sing them. Whatever your thing is, you should be doing that thing and not just talking about it. Also, you should learn as much as you can about the business of music, not necessarily to get those two things too intertwined.

You want to express yourself the best you can, but you also want to know about the business of music. If you want it to be your career you need to know about how to get your songs published, how to develop a following that will hopefully generate enough income to support your website and your recording and everything like that.

So those two things: Learn about the business, and do your actual craft.


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Those are the two main things I would say. LL : [gasps] I love Tegan and Sara! It's funny, when Chad Gilbert brought this project to me and said, "Let's do this punky, poppy rock record," one of his references to see if I'd be interested, he said, "We'll make it sound really cool, like Tegan and Sara," and I was like, "Oh, my God, I love Tegan and Sara! MR : Nice. I was lucky enough to have interviewed them, I think, a year ago.

They really are amazing ladies. LL : Yeah, they are. I saw them live and I didn't realize how much funny banter they had. I thought of them so much as this rock band, but at the same time, when I saw them sing and play, they really were also classic singer-songwriters.


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MR : It seems they're coming from a "get the song first and then everything else sort of follows" plan. LL : Oh, I always do. I read about other musicians in Rolling Stone , how such-and-such a musician had some songs written but then they went into the studio to finish up the songs and record them. Every time, I try that, it's like the worst thing ever. I absolutely have to finish songs before I'm in the studio. The studio is not a good time for me to do that. It's like baking a cake and then realizing halfway through I should be grocery shopping for the eggs while I'm making the cake.

It just doesn't work that way for me. I've got to have all the parts in place.

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You know, maybe there's a change of pronoun here or there or a melody change or something, but the bulk of the songs have to be totally written. But I imagine you got your own share of Palin comparisons as well, no? In fact, I had to stop wearing my hair the way I like to wear it because people would say, "Oh, it's like Sarah Palin's," since I had my hair a certain way with glasses. The year that she was running, I dressed up as her for Halloween and my husband who was my boyfriend at the time was Mario, like Super Mario, the plumber. I guess there was a whole thing going on with that.

People would stop me at these bars in the East Village where we went to celebrate Halloween and they would say, "Are you Lisa Loeb or are you Sarah Palin? MR : [laughs] Well, you don't have to worry about that too much anymore, she's kind of history now. I was behind on my 30 Rock so I didn't get to see it, but I love that.

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MR : Well, it just goes to show you what a cultural icon you've become, my friend. MR : [laughs] It's not just the glasses. You've endeared yourself to generations with your works with children's music, the TV shows, the albums, and "Stay," a major hit of the '90s. LL : It's so wild to talk to different people of different ages and from different generations.

People say, "Oh, my mom used to listen to that," or "I used to listen to that in high school," or "when I was little It's funny because, in some ways, I feel like so much time has passed and in other ways I feel like it was just yesterday. More often than not, it's somewhere in the middle of those two feelings.

But yes, it's a great feeling to get to write a song like that, which became a big hit, and then also get to write all kinds of music, some of that having been played on the radio and some that people know more from just listening to records or coming to concerts. It's really enabled me to try out all kinds of things that I love to do. All right, Lisa Loeb, thank you so much for all your time. All the best with the album and all the best with everything. You're an amazing woman. Tracks : 1. No Fairy Tale 2. The '90s 3.